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Post by Avelon on Mar 16, 2005 4:39:31 GMT -5
Before I start, go straight to hell, Parafox. I'm not a pedophile. I'm not even 18 yet. Now then...
My own belief is that it should be left to the disgretion of those most involved. Most (not all) people will experiment sexually starting as early as six years of age. Most will begin experimenting between the ages of 10 and 12 - this is when puberty normally begins in a girl or boy, respectively.
A healthy girl or boy at this stage of their life will begin seeing and thinking of others in a sexual manner.
Maturity is a definite factor in the debate, but the problem is that maturity has an extreme variance between individuals. One 14 year old boy might be emotionally capable of handling a sexual relationship, while his best friend, another 14 year old boy, may not. It is my belief, however, that if the individual is mature enough to make the choice of having sex, they are mature enough to handle the repercussions.
This isn't always the case for a girl, however. Where a girl's genitals require sometimes several years to fully change into reproductive organs, a boy's change almost overnight by comparison. A girl may be willing to have sex, but incapable of having sex. I speculate (with full knowledge of the dangers of speculating in a debate with Parafox and Kaleb) that a higher level of maturity is also required on the girl's part, as she undergoes physical pain as well.
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Post by Kaleb on Mar 16, 2005 10:29:37 GMT -5
Legally: 14, here in hick Canada. =) Really, it seems like a suitable age to me. Sure, they might not be ready for it, but it's their choice and their mistake if something goes wrong. Kids are gonna go at it like rabbits no matter what you do, it's probably better not to stress yourself dictating when someone else is ready for something.
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Post by ChaosWolf on Mar 16, 2005 14:36:55 GMT -5
Dude (to Kaleb), you remember Judy from the sixth grade, she got knocked up. Hell kids younger than that have in my sisters school, that’s why I threaten any boy they bring in my house that they won't find enough of him to convict me.
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Post by Jest on Mar 16, 2005 18:37:43 GMT -5
Sometimes it's best at a younger age for others to make choices for you. Your right it's their choice, but shouldn't there be guidlines and rules in their best interest? Letting kids just go at it seems very irresponcible. Kids shouldn't have to make mistakes to learn.
I've yet to meet a couple that is ready to have sex at 14 but I'm sure theres a few. Why can't they wait however? It's not like it's something that urgent you need to get done.
A quik question. What about an 19 year old and a 17 year old having sex? Does Statitory rape still apply? Just wondering even though it's slightly off topic.
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Post by Parafox on Mar 16, 2005 19:52:59 GMT -5
Remember that the age of consent laws are not in place solely to protect people from others in their age bracket. It is largely to defend them from those that are older and more manipulative. For example, 12 or 14 year old schoolchildren who are manipulated into sex by someone 25+. 18 is the age in which many definitions of "adult" come to be, and no matter how arbitrary the age may seem, I think it has served well. It makes sense to me that this be the age of consent, as by this time the majority of people have reached an adult level of reasoning and thinking (and are fully culpable of their actions). 14 seems like too impressionable an age for sex with a 50 year old to be legally condoned. I've yet to meet a couple that is ready to have sex at 14 but I'm sure theres a few. Why can't they wait however? It's not like it's something that urgent you need to get done. It's my impression that 14 year olds have not developed a substantial understanding of the "long term" ramifications of their actions. A quik question. What about an 19 year old and a 17 year old having sex? Does Statitory rape still apply? Just wondering even though it's slightly off topic. The law's the law. Statutory rape still applies if it is a 19 year old with a 17 year old.
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Post by CursedMoose on Mar 16, 2005 19:59:02 GMT -5
The human biological clock says we should have children as soon as we can, and as often as we can. However society has made it so you can't really support a child until you 4-5 years after high school and you are into your business career. Then you a lousy parent because you are screaming at your child to grow up, Not to mention the media is messing with everyone's head and this next generation is going to be a bunch of degenerate losers who want to touch brittany spears breasts. So I guess what I am trying to say is that any age is old enoughIf you can grasp the fact that if your activities produce life It's gonna cost you. HORRIBLY!
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Post by Kaleb on Mar 16, 2005 21:03:10 GMT -5
The human biological clock says we should have children as soon as we can, and as often as we can. It's more than the "biological clock". Isn't that usually thought of as the timer that tells you when to sleep, whatever? However society has made it so you can't really support a child until you 4-5 years after high school and you are into your business career. Depends on how capable you are with a budget, what you spend money on, and how much you're making out of high school. Then you a lousy parent because you are screaming at your child to grow up Only if you're a f**king moron and you can't cope with stress. Not to mention the media is messing with everyone's head and this next generation is going to be a bunch of degenerate losers who want to touch brittany spears breasts. Good Job, angsty. So I guess what I am trying to say is that any age is old enough If you can grasp the fact that if your activities produce life It's gonna cost you. HORRIBLY! It doesn't have to do so if you do a little planning and think everything through. And what, exactly, demands that since you're having sex you'll have children?
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Post by Avelon on Mar 16, 2005 21:33:01 GMT -5
Remember that the age of consent laws are not in place solely to protect people from others in their age bracket. It is largely to defend them from those that are older and more manipulative. Yes, but the debate isn't about the laws - it's about the actual age of consent. How old is old enough, if such an age truly exists, for an individual to have sex? 18 is the age in which many definitions of "adult" come to be, and no matter how arbitrary the age may seem, I think it has served well. I agree, as far as laws are concerned. However, no law exists with which every person affected by that law will be content. What I'm asking isn't what the age of consent in the eyes of the government should be, but the age at which consenting sex becomes a part of life. To a second grader, it's just a "cooties story" that one of the wiser children knew. To a sixth grader, it's almost expected to be a part of every thought process. But to one fourth grader, it could still be like being in second grade; whereas his classmate could already be mature enough to handle it. It's my impression that 14 year olds have not developed a substantial understanding of the "long term" ramifications of their actions. I disagree. I maintain that it is an individual maturity that sets those who are 'ready' apart from those who are not. My argument is that there IS no single age at which everyone is 'Old Enough'. Some will never be mature enough to handle the consequences of a sexual relationship.
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Post by Parafox on Mar 16, 2005 22:28:12 GMT -5
Yes, but the debate isn't about the laws - it's about the actual age of consent. How old is old enough, if such an age truly exists, for an individual to have sex? There is no age at which someone is "old enough to have sex." However, it is society's impression that ~18 is when the human brain has developed enough for an average individual to fully appreciate the consequences of their actions. As sex, like murder, can have a huge impact on the lives of many, most believe sex is best abstained from until around this age. 18 is the age in which individuals are considered legally responsible for every decision they make: crime, sex, enlisting, voting, etc. I agree, as far as laws are concerned. However, no law exists with which every person affected by that law will be content. What I'm asking isn't what the age of consent in the eyes of the government should be, but the age at which consenting sex becomes a part of life. The age at which consenting sex becomes a part of life depends on the individual. The ability to consent (by legal definition or otherwise) has absolutely no impact on when consenting sex becomes part of someone's life. To a second grader, it's just a "cooties story" that one of the wiser children knew. To a sixth grader, it's almost expected to be a part of every thought process. But to one fourth grader, it could still be like being in second grade; whereas his classmate could already be mature enough to handle it. Gross. I disagree. I maintain that it is an individual maturity that sets those who are 'ready' apart from those who are not. My argument is that there IS no single age at which everyone is 'Old Enough'. Some will never be mature enough to handle the consequences of a sexual relationship. "Some" doesn't matter. Laws and societal norms are established as per the will of the majority. The average.
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Post by Avelon on Mar 16, 2005 22:52:43 GMT -5
Laws aside, there's no conflict of opinion. I'll just wait for Eskimo to show up and post something completely irrelevant and prejudiced.
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Post by Parafox on Mar 16, 2005 22:55:36 GMT -5
Laws aside, there's no conflict of opinion. I'll just wait for Eskimo to show up and post something completely irrelevant and prejudiced. x2 Or we could wait for Kaleb to talk about how he wants to tape 9 year old boy ass.
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Post by Eskimo on Mar 18, 2005 16:33:45 GMT -5
" 'I'll just wait for Eskimo to show up and post something completely irrelevant and prejudiced.''
x2"
x3 you guys are both right, however that doesn't change the fact that you're both bastards:p
Concerning age, I must ask the simple question, scientifically hasn't it not already been proven that age is defined differently for each individual; where as one 30 year old has the body of a 45 year old, another 30 year old has the body of a 25 year old. I find this fact very relevant, and wish that scientists would test people on this basis of growth in this area rather then the time they've been stuck on this god forsaken planet. That is to say, if one is physiologically 18 years old, then they should be legally allowed to have sex. I don't think just because someone is able to have sex necessarily means they should, unless they are ready financially as well as mentally for possible ramifications there of. This includes parenthood as well as STDs since children are considered a “ramification” or, moreover, a curse. At least where I live…
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Post by Parafox on Mar 18, 2005 17:16:51 GMT -5
" 'I'll just wait for Eskimo to show up and post something completely irrelevant and prejudiced.'' x2" x3 you guys are both right, however that doesn't change the fact that you're both bastards:p Concerning age, I must ask the simple question, scientifically hasn't it not already been proven that age is defined differently for each individual; where as one 30 year old has the body of a 45 year old, another 30 year old has the body of a 25 year old. I find this fact very relevant, and wish that scientists would test people on this basis of growth in this area rather then the time they've been stuck on this god forsaken planet. That is to say, if one is physiologically 18 years old, then they should be legally allowed to have sex. I don't think just because someone is able to have sex necessarily means they should, unless they are ready financially as well as mentally for possible ramifications there of. This includes parenthood as well as STDs since children are considered a “ramification” or, moreover, a curse. At least where I live… What about 9 year olds who are physiologically 18? The 9 year old may think they're ready. I think your logic is lame and that basing it on one's physical condition is asinine. And you are far too angsty.
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Post by Avelon on Mar 18, 2005 22:56:54 GMT -5
x3 you guys are both right, however that doesn't change the fact that you're both bastards:p No, Parafox isn't a GMod. That is to say, if one is physiologically 18 years old, then they should be legally allowed to have sex. Laws have nothing to do with the debate. This is an issue of maturity and mental readiness. ... Heh.
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Post by Eskimo on Mar 21, 2005 18:18:47 GMT -5
In that case I believe guys can have sex as soon as they have a leaning tower of thingy and girls can have sex as soon as they're ready to except the fact that something will be coming instead of out.
As for responsibility, I think I already mentioned my thoughts on that. When I actually took a second to think about my physical growth idea, I suppose my belief was a bit flawed when considering that physical growth doesn't always match that of mental maturity...oh well, it sounded right to me when I was typing it:p
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