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Post by Silas on Dec 6, 2005 12:30:54 GMT -5
Ahhh, too big to read before my final week of college.
But here is my other tiny bit of reasoning: Who gives a nuts about what you learn the past when you are just going to die and your existence turn to nothing?
And since I can read this last bit at the bottom by Ave while I type (cause I am using the Quick Reply), does it make a difference if I am the only one arguing against? Maybe I am the only one who is willing to speak up against even though there are only about 5 posters on these forums.
Ok, f**k that. I just had to read some more of Avelon's post. And yes, if you read the last bit of my post, you would have seen the first part of my last paragraph was me agreeing to microevolution.
However, I was talking with my father the other night (not Jest's father, mine. We had pizza.) And he decided to say a quick little excerpt from the Bible as we were discussing this. I know some are going to hate it and some are going to love it. Or, most will hate it.
Genesis 1:24 "And God said, 'Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds...'"
Now I will let others decipher it as they will.
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Post by Soul-Divider on Dec 6, 2005 12:58:05 GMT -5
Due to the asinine nature of this post, its contents have been erased.
Soul-Divider, this is your warning. If you're going to post in one of the debate threads, then you're expected to debate, not be retarded.
Love, Ave
Comment to Ave: Since when did you care?
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Post by Avelon on Dec 6, 2005 15:34:39 GMT -5
No, it doesn't matter if it's one or a thousand arguing with me, or 999 people and me arguing with you. I'd explain parenthesis to you if I thought it would do any good. But here is my other tiny bit of reasoning: Who gives a nuts about what you learn the past when you are just going to die and your existence turn to nothing? So would you rather everyone took everything for granted? Would you rather contribute nothing to mankind, and watch your children grow up to be just as ignorant as you are? Would you rather we all reverted to the stone age? If it doesn't matter what we learn and leave for future generations, then I guess you'd prefer humanity to be entirely without technology. Tools are technology, by the way...I guess you could try hunting deer with your bare hands. Humans survive because of their brains. Human bodies are not equipped to provide food and water alone. Genesis 1:24 "And God said, 'Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds...'" What gave you the impression Moses knew everything that went on thousands of years before he was born? At best, Genesis is fanfiction. Much of what's written in the Bible (and any other old writing) is steeped in ignorance. If he ever gave thought to it, I'm CERTAIN Moses believed the world was flat, for instance. Hundreds of years later, people believed it, so why not?
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Post by Kaleb on Dec 6, 2005 22:20:48 GMT -5
Now, this really, really annoys me. I'm in the middle of finals, too. But I don't use this as an excuse to ignore everything you've said. This is what I see, looking over this thread. -My initial complaint. -Soul-Divider posting stupid drivel. -Your post, clarifying for Soul-Divider, though that seems pointless in retrospect. -Ave trying to avoid being lumped into my generalization. -Jest missing the point, mostly. -Ave making a quick clarification. -My post, a scathing rebuttal of Jest's. -Gostie praises my post. -Your post, which seemed to me to be a bunch of baseless accusations about evolution and scientists. -Ave points out errors in your posts. -Eskimo posts his agreement, his personal beliefs, and his reasoning. -You post again, more accusations, specifically pointed at Radiocarbon Dating, which you don't seem familiar with at all. -My next post, which takes issue with your assertions of circular reasoning. -Ave posts about evolution. -You post, totally ignoring what I've said, and what Ave said. Also included a bible verse that can be interpreted to mean basically anything. Excellent way to avoid the whole being proven wrong bit. -Soul-Divider posts bullnuts. -Ave makes a humanist appeal, and talks about the flaws involved with the recording of human history. Please, please, for the sake of my sanity, stop avoiding what I've said. This is a problem with debating on Message Boards- you are able to ignore anything you want and I can't call you on it until later. Plus, you can always ignore that I've called you on it. You made assertions about C-14 dating. I found this to be horribly flawed. I made an argument defending C-14 dating. An argument I personally felt was rather in-depth and didn't require much of a scientific background to understand. However, rather than retracting your statement, you failed to even recognize that I had posted a defense.Have I ignored any of what you've said? If so, point it out and I will certainly make an effort to respond in a timely manner. This is incredibly frustrating. I don't want to demand you argue in a specific way, but would you at least respond to what I've said? This hardly presents your own opinions as likely: you consistently fail to defend your statements at all. How can an observer do anything but infer from this that your statements are baseless? Now, as a parting shot: Guess what? This means nothing. Yeah, it is an escape route from your current, doomed position. However, anybody who looks at it also realizes that it conflicts with the Christian position of the past 150 years or so. So, you're adopting a new position that accepts evolution because you have to, as has been done so many times in the past. All it does is further invalidate the Christian position. (Not that that's necessary, or anything.)
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Post by Jest on Dec 7, 2005 8:38:31 GMT -5
What is the point of debating anywho? We're all to d**n stubborn to admit anything. Infact I don't even see that much debating anymore. It's mostly "Yuor logic is flawwed, your an idiot, I hate your brothers pet weasle, and you owe me two ice creams".
Anywho, that's not why I posted. I posted to request someone send me Soul-Dividers original post. This thread is in the GEneral section, it's not exempt from everything else cause it's turned into a debating thread. If something stupid is said, it's said. Why censor it?
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Post by Avelon on Dec 7, 2005 11:28:21 GMT -5
I didn't intend to censor it. My intent was to demonstrate that posts can be (and will be if they deserve it; you've modified some of mine recently, even) modified, and give Soul-Divider a fair warning.
All I remember of the original post was 'I am god ...' followed by sentences so poorly constructed, I can't remember what they were about.
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Post by Soul-Divider on Dec 7, 2005 12:35:07 GMT -5
This was the last place I expected anyone to officialy give a d**n about what was said in someones post. It's one of the reasons why I joined, if I wanted to proclaim something. I can. even if it was a little silly, It did have some actual point behind it. God has said nothing (atleast to my knowlage) . Thus genesis is incorrect by it's very nature, it's just storytelling.
Belive me I wouldn't post random garbage, bullnuts, stupid drivel. Badly worded, big headed theorisms yes, but not garbage, bullnuts or stupid drivel.
ps. It was all a joke anywho, a bit of light relief and a break from all the massive posts.
Also, since when was this a debate thread?
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Post by Avelon on Dec 7, 2005 17:09:19 GMT -5
Also, since when was this a debate thread? Since reply number five. If you'd read those massive posts, you'd see it's a debate. And as to people giving a d**n, usually a bit of insanity or outright stupidity is tolerated - I mean, Jest is admin. But this is one of the few serious topics. I dug through my chat logs to find the original post... The book of genesis is wrong. I said no such thing... ...yes, I am god. With 2.5 million reason of how I can back that statement up. even if it was a little silly, It did have some actual fact behind it. God has said nothing. Thus genesis is incorrect by it's very nature, it's just storytelling. How the hell would you know? Not that I disagree with you, but I have -reasons- to believe that. You just toss around an asinine comment a little silly comment, and then start throwing the word 'fact' around? You sicken me. It should be noted that at this point I am not debating. I am showing open contempt for Soul-Divider. So if you're going to accuse me of using personal attacks as a means of arguing, go f**k yourself. =)
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Post by Kaleb on Dec 7, 2005 17:32:05 GMT -5
Every thread is a debate thread. If we can't disagree, what can we do? Sure, I started this to blow off steam, but if someone wants to share their opinion, fine with me. Now, let me be very clear. Jest, Ave's editing of Soul-Divider's post was entirely justified. When I saw his first post in this thread, I first wanted to delete it, it was stupid. Then I considered editing it and rebuking him in that. Instead, I let it be. This was incredibly close, though. If I had been in a worse mood, it would have been gone and he might have been banned. (If Gmods can do that?) I don't expect a whole lot, but I do expect your posts to make sense. Spelling and grammar would be nice, too, but I like to be realistic. In short: Don't post retarded nuts and nobody will take action against you.
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Post by Soul-Divider on Dec 7, 2005 18:21:26 GMT -5
still your taking a joke a little too far ... Also I have since edited my post about the use of the word "fact" I see your point.
So from me an official appology...sorry If I offended anyone or anything, I see now that little jokes are not appropriate and thus will prevent them from being placed in serious topics like this....I am also surprised at myself for not leaving any clue to the fact the post was joke like, I could've sworn I used a =P smiley, but the quote says otherwise....
I think that's all I need to say on that...carry on.
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Post by Silas on Dec 12, 2005 4:40:40 GMT -5
Arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you are still a retard.
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Post by Avelon on Dec 13, 2005 5:29:54 GMT -5
Enough. I'm sick of everyone whining because I'm apparently forcing them to read these threads, and in the same breath telling me I'm wrong in both of them. If you want to debate, let's debate. But please, before you do, un-f**k yourself long enough to admit that you might not know everything, and that you might not have all of your facts straight, even if you sincerely believe that you are right.
Thread will be moved to Cemetary on Friday, Dec 16.
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